• Trans 2a

    From Logic44@VERT/LNRC-IN to All on Fri Jul 17 02:11:48 2026
    The 2nd amendment shall not be infringed, and a restriction based solely on identity sound like an infringement to me...

    I've genuinely NEVER heard a good argument for this.

    What about trans people makes them inherently unfit to own a firearm?

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to Logic44 on Fri Jul 17 07:45:00 2026
    Logic44 wrote to All <=-

    What about trans people makes them inherently unfit to own a firearm?

    For safety reasons, we don't allow mentally people who have a gun.

    All trans people are mentally ill.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Logic44 on Fri Jul 17 07:37:58 2026
    Logic44 wrote to All <=-

    The 2nd amendment shall not be infringed, and a restriction based
    solely on identity sound like an infringement to me...

    I've genuinely NEVER heard a good argument for this.

    What about trans people makes them inherently unfit to own a firearm?

    Who/what/where says they can't?



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  • From Logic44@VERT/LNRC-IN to Dr. What on Fri Jul 17 13:31:33 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: Dr. What to Logic44 on Fri Jul 17 2026 07:45:00

    For safety reasons, we don't allow mentally people who have a gun.

    All trans people are mentally ill.

    Based on what? Gender dysphoria?
    This is on a similar level to not letting someone have a gun just because they have autism or ADHD, it has no impact on their ability to effectively operate
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  • From Matthew Munson@VERT/IUTOPIA to LOGIC44 on Fri Jul 17 13:39:00 2026
    On 7/17/2026 1:31 PM, LOGIC44 wrote to DR. WHAT:

    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: Dr. What to Logic44 on Fri Jul 17 2026 07:45:00

    For safety reasons, we don't allow mentally people who have a gun.

    All trans people are mentally ill.

    Based on what? Gender dysphoria?
    This is on a similar level to not letting someone have a gun just because they have autism or
    ADHD, it has no impact on their ability to effectively operate

    I know a trans person in their 60s who is proficient in firearms and I respect that person. However
    some of the well known shooters in the trans community who have done those tragedies are under age
    30, and what they did in British Columbia, Tennessee and Minnesota have held back firearm rights for
    their community. Just because you were not treated well in school does not mean you have to reenact
    the Jeremey music video from Pearl Jam.



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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Logic44 on Fri Jul 17 18:19:00 2026
    The 2nd amendment shall not be infringed, and a restriction based solely on identity sound like an infringement to me...

    I've genuinely NEVER heard a good argument for this.

    What about trans people makes them inherently unfit to own a firearm?

    Nothing. I think its more about mental health, not sexual preference - of any person; straight, gay, bi, etc...



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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Dr. What on Fri Jul 17 18:19:00 2026
    All trans people are mentally ill.

    While I prolly align more with your views, this is silly.



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  • From Logic44@VERT/LNRC-IN to Matthew Munson on Sat Jul 18 04:44:38 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: Matthew Munson to LOGIC44 on Fri Jul 17 2026 13:39:00

    respect that person. However
    some of the well known shooters in the trans community who have done those tragedies are under age
    30, and what they did in British Columbia, Tennessee and Minnesota have held back firearm rights for
    their community. Just because you were not treated well in school does not mean you have to reenact
    the Jeremey music video from Pearl Jam.

    There have been 3 to 5 trans shooters. Only 3 to 5 out of thousands of incidents, this type of rhetoric is straight up victim blaming....


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to Logic44 on Sat Jul 18 08:39:00 2026
    Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-

    All trans people are mentally ill.

    Based on what? Gender dysphoria?

    Based on the idea that anyone who thinks they can change their gender is completely unhinged.

    This is on a similar level to not letting someone have a gun just
    because they have autism or ADHD, it has no impact on their ability to effectively operate or carry a firearm without being a danger to others
    or themselves.

    Your strawman is very lame.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to paulie420 on Sat Jul 18 08:54:00 2026
    paulie420 wrote to Logic44 <=-

    What about trans people makes them inherently unfit to own a firearm?

    Nothing. I think its more about mental health, not sexual preference -
    of any person; straight, gay, bi, etc...

    The root of it probably is in the drugs that a trans person takes to "transition". Many states already have laws on the books prohibiting drug users from owning firearms.


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  • From Logic44@VERT/LNRC-IN to Dr. What on Sat Jul 18 19:03:51 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: Dr. What to Logic44 on Sat Jul 18 2026 08:39:00

    Based on the idea that anyone who thinks they can change their gender is completely unhinged.
    Gender and sex are 2 different things, you're conflating the two.

    Your strawman is very lame.
    Name ONE way being trans affects your ability to safely and effectively operate a firearm.

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  • From Logic44@VERT/LNRC-IN to Dr. What on Sat Jul 18 19:04:45 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: Dr. What to paulie420 on Sat Jul 18 2026 08:54:00

    The root of it probably is in the drugs that a trans person takes to "transition". Many states already have laws on the books prohibiting drug users from owning firearms.

    I don't think there are any states that prohibit firearm ownership based on prescription medication.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to paulie420 on Sat Jul 18 18:24:35 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: paulie420 to Dr. What on Fri Jul 17 2026 06:19 pm

    All trans people are mentally ill.

    While I prolly align more with your views, this is silly.



    How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?

    people with gender identity disorder are going through a lot and deserve help. The suicide rate is high and they are in constant turmoil.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Sat Jul 18 18:28:09 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: Dr. What to paulie420 on Sat Jul 18 2026 08:54 am

    paulie420 wrote to Logic44 <=-

    What about trans people makes them inherently unfit to own a firearm?

    Nothing. I think its more about mental health, not sexual preference - of any person; straight, gay, bi, etc...

    The root of it probably is in the drugs that a trans person takes to "transition". Many states already have laws on the books prohibiting drug users from owning firearms.


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    gender identity disorder is mental illness. they shouldn't have access to Firearms.

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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to MRO on Sat Jul 18 18:12:00 2026
    All trans people are mentally ill.

    While I prolly align more with your views, this is silly.

    How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?

    Because blanket condemning any group is silly. While I wouldn't choose trans anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and mentally ill trans people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderful men and terrible, etc etc.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to paulie420 on Sat Jul 18 22:13:00 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: paulie420 to MRO on Sat Jul 18 2026 06:12 pm

    All trans people are mentally ill.

    While I prolly align more with your views, this is silly.

    How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?

    Because blanket condemning any group is silly. While I wouldn't choose trans anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and mentally ill trans > people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderful men
    and terrible, etc etc.



    it's not silly if it's accurate. if you think you are a gender you are not, that's just crazy. Crazy people should not have weapons.

    Being white is not the same as being someone who thinks they are a gender they Are not.

    They have a suicide rate close to 50%. Does that seem normal to you?

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  • From Utopian Galt@VERT/BEERS20 to MRO on Sat Jul 18 21:00:00 2026
    Being white is not the same as being someone who thinks they are a
    gender they Are not.

    I think there is the issue where we should be tactful, but you can still be critical at the same time. Gender non conforming people have existed throughout history.

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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to MRO on Sat Jul 18 21:02:00 2026
    All trans people are mentally ill.

    While I prolly align more with your views, this is silly.

    How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?
    Because blanket condemning any group is silly. While I wouldn't choose t anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and mentally ill
    people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderfu
    and terrible, etc etc.

    it's not silly if it's accurate. if you think you are a gender you are not, that's just crazy. Crazy people should not have weapons.

    Being white is not the same as being someone who thinks they are a
    gender they Are not.
    They have a suicide rate close to 50%. Does that seem normal to you?

    OMG - I can't belive I'm defending this community - but I think your condemning of ANY community with blanket BS is... BS.



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  • From Outlaw@VERT/OUTWEST to paulie420 on Fri Jul 17 22:39:21 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: paulie420 to MRO on Sat Jul 18 2026 06:12 pm

    How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?

    Because blanket condemning any group is silly. While I wouldn't choose trans anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and mentally ill trans people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderful men and terrible, etc etc.

    I had to train a trans person a few years back, He went by a female name, One day he walked up to me and said he expected me to use his proper pro-nouns.
    I said "yes sir".
    He had fathered children, he was 6'3" with a huge adams apple.
    He's clearly a man, I would'nt play into his mental game.

    When covid hit he found another job, He had one of the bosses scared to death because he wanted to be addressed by she/her and the boss was scared to even talk to him out of fear he might use male pronouns.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to paulie420 on Sun Jul 19 01:11:53 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: paulie420 to MRO on Sat Jul 18 2026 09:02 pm

    gender they Are not.
    They have a suicide rate close to 50%. Does that seem normal to you?

    OMG - I can't belive I'm defending this community - but I think your

    All trans people are mentally ill.

    While I prolly align more with your views, this is silly.

    How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?
    Because blanket condemning any group is silly. While I wouldn't choose > MR> > > MR> > t anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and
    mentally
    ill
    people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderfu
    and terrible, etc etc.

    it's not silly if it's accurate. if you think you are a gender you

    are
    not, that's just crazy. Crazy people should not have weapons.

    Being white is not the same as being someone who thinks they are a gender they Are not.
    They have a suicide rate close to 50%. Does that seem normal to you?

    OMG - I can't belive I'm defending this community - but I think your condemning of ANY community with blanket BS is... BS.

    For one, i've always thought of you as one of the dumbest BBS 'community' members I've encountered. Not only are you ignorant, but you are stupid.

    Go back to sucking the cocks of your krad buddies with their 10 page ansi Scrollers.

    i've provided FACTS on this subject and i've talked about this quite a bit in The past.

    For the other people who do not have shit for brains:

    I care about these poor people and I want them to get help. They are in constant turmoil and what they go through is probably hell on earth. Nobody can imagine what they are going through.

    This is indicative by their high suicide rate and other behaviors.

    We need to stop overlooking their problems and get them help. Mental health needs to become a priority in our society.

    Paulie, go back to getting high and licking windows. Adults are talking here. Maybe stick to your circle jerks on angoranet or whatever it's called.


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  • From Logic44@VERT/LNRC-IN to MRO on Sun Jul 19 01:12:03 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: MRO to paulie420 on Sat Jul 18 2026 22:13:00

    They have a suicide rate close to 50%. Does that seem normal to you?

    Said by the cause of the 41%, btw...

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  • From Logic44@VERT/LNRC-IN to MRO on Sun Jul 19 01:15:35 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: MRO to Dr. What on Sat Jul 18 2026 18:28:09

    gender identity disorder is mental illness. they shouldn't have access to Firearms.

    What about a trans person makes them unfit to safely operate a firearm?
    I still haven't gotten an answer to this, probably because y'all don't have one.
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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to Logic44 on Sun Jul 19 09:41:00 2026
    Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Based on the idea that anyone who thinks they can change their gender is completely unhinged.

    Gender and sex are 2 different things, you're conflating the two.

    No. You are miseducated and parroting a Narrative that you don't understand.

    Name ONE way being trans affects your ability to safely and effectively operate a firearm.

    Oh, they can effectively operate a firearm - as they have done in several shootings.

    Safety, on the other hand.... Being mentally ill does make people do things that put other people's safety at risk.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to Logic44 on Sun Jul 19 09:42:00 2026
    Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I don't think there are any states that prohibit firearm ownership
    based on prescription medication.

    Then you haven't looked. Most states have laws that curtail your rights if you are on certain medications - legally or not.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to paulie420 on Sun Jul 19 09:47:00 2026
    paulie420 wrote to MRO <=-

    Because blanket condemning any group is silly.

    Are you going to condemn all the Leftoids who call all white people White Supremacists?

    While I wouldn't choose
    trans anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and
    mentally ill trans people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderful men and terrible, etc etc.

    You need to understand the concept of "per capita".


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to MRO on Sun Jul 19 09:52:00 2026
    MRO wrote to paulie420 <=-

    people with gender identity disorder are going through a lot and
    deserve help. The suicide rate is high and they are in constant
    turmoil.

    Absolutely right. The Left likes to assume that everyone is like them. So that if you don't "affirm" someone's mistakes, you must "hate" them.

    Trans people are mentally ill and in pain. They need help and I think society as a whole would like to do that, but help is blocked by several groups.

    1. The medical industry. They like having people who are constantly on meds and need treatment.
    2. The people who created the Trans people. The last thing they want is a shrink finding out that the person's elementary school Trans-ed them.
    3. The Left, who use trans people as bots to wind up and do bad things. It turns out that being mentally ill makes them more suseptable to control.

    And probably more that I'm not seeing right now.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to Utopian Galt on Sun Jul 19 09:53:00 2026
    Utopian Galt wrote to MRO <=-

    I think there is the issue where we should be tactful, but you can
    still be critical at the same time. Gender non conforming people have existed throughout history.

    Not to the extent that they exist today.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to Outlaw on Sun Jul 19 09:55:00 2026
    Outlaw wrote to paulie420 <=-

    I had to train a trans person a few years back, He went by a female
    name, One day he walked up to me and said he expected me to use his
    proper pro-nouns.
    I said "yes sir".
    He had fathered children, he was 6'3" with a huge adams apple.
    He's clearly a man, I would'nt play into his mental game.

    I usually say "I have no legal or ethical obligation to participate in YOUR delusion."


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to Logic44 on Sun Jul 19 09:57:00 2026
    Logic44 wrote to MRO <=-

    What about a trans person makes them unfit to safely operate a firearm?
    I still haven't gotten an answer to this, probably because y'all don't have one.

    You have gotten an answer. Several times now.

    But the answers violate your false Narrative, so you ignore them.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Matthew Munson on Sun Jul 19 08:17:08 2026
    Matthew Munson wrote to LOGIC44 <=-

    trans community who have done those tragedies are under age 30, and
    what they did in British Columbia, Tennessee and Minnesota have held
    back firearm rights for their community. Just because you were not
    treated well in school does not mean you have to reenact the Jeremey
    music video from Pearl Jam.

    FactCheck.org reported that the Gun Violence Archive identified 5 mass shootings by transgender or nonbinary individuals from Jan. 1, 2013
    through Sept. 15, 2025, representing less than 0.1% of mass shootings in
    that dataset.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to paulie420 on Sun Jul 19 08:17:08 2026
    paulie420 wrote to Logic44 <=-

    Nothing. I think its more about mental health, not sexual preference -
    of any person; straight, gay, bi, etc...

    But the fallacy is making the assumption that being transgender is a
    mental illness, which isn't true unless you try to define it as such.
    One would imaging the sense of wellness someone who felt gender
    dysphoria would have understanding it and taking steps towards becoming
    their intended gender.

    It's not hard to imagine reactionary groups trying to use non-traditional
    gender choice and sexual preference to define mental illness in an
    attempt to limit people's rights. First firearms, then what?



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Logic44 on Sun Jul 19 08:17:08 2026
    Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I don't think there are any states that prohibit firearm ownership
    based on prescription medication.

    How many mass shooters were taking SSRIs?



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  • From Logic44@VERT/LNRC-IN to MRO on Sun Jul 19 11:31:13 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: MRO to paulie420 on Sun Jul 19 2026 01:11:53

    For one, i've always thought of you as one of the dumbest BBS 'community' members I've encountered. Not only are you ignorant, but you are stupid.

    Go back to sucking the cocks of your krad buddies with their 10 page ansi Scrollers.

    i've provided FACTS on this subject and i've talked about this quite a bit in The past.

    For the other people who do not have shit for brains:

    I care about these poor people and I want them to get help. They are in constant turmoil and what they go through is probably hell on earth. Nobody can imagine what they are going through.

    This is indicative by their high suicide rate and other behaviors.

    We need to stop overlooking their problems and get them help. Mental health needs to become a priority in our society.

    We DON'T need your help lol
    We need you to give us our healthcare back and leave us tf alone.
    If you REALLY cared about mental health, you'd follow what's backed by evidence:
    Gender affirming care.

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  • From Outlaw@VERT/OUTWEST to Dr. What on Sat Jul 18 09:39:02 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: Dr. What to Logic44 on Sun Jul 19 2026 09:57 am

    What about a trans person makes them unfit to safely operate a firearm? I
    still haven't gotten an answer to this, probably because y'all don't have
    one.

    You have gotten an answer. Several times now.

    But the answers violate your false Narrative, so you ignore them.

    He only considers it an answer, if it goes along with his philosophy.


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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to MRO on Sun Jul 19 10:49:00 2026
    For one, i've always thought of you as one of the dumbest BBS 'community' members I've encountered. Not only are you ignorant, but you are
    stupid.

    Paulie, go back to getting high and licking windows. Adults are talking here. Maybe stick to your circle jerks on angoranet or whatever it's called.

    :P Love being on the end of one of your tirades again... always fun on a random Sunday morning.



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  • From Logic44@VERT/LNRC-IN to Dr. What on Sun Jul 19 13:10:31 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: Dr. What to Logic44 on Sun Jul 19 2026 09:41:00

    No. You are miseducated and parroting a Narrative that you don't understand.
    Complete projection, I understand it much more than you.

    Oh, they can effectively operate a firearm - as they have done in several shootings.
    Safety, on the other hand.... Being mentally ill does make people do things that put other people's safety at risk.
    Being trans isn't mental illness, and the illness known as gender dysphoria is treated via gender affirming care.


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  • From Logic44@VERT/LNRC-IN to Dr. What on Sun Jul 19 13:12:11 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: Dr. What to Logic44 on Sun Jul 19 2026 09:57:00

    You have gotten an answer. Several times now.

    But the answers violate your false Narrative, so you ignore them.

    No, I ignore them because they make zero sense, as none of the reasons listed are inherent to being trans.
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  • From Logic44@VERT/LNRC-IN to Outlaw on Sun Jul 19 15:18:04 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: Outlaw to Dr. What on Sat Jul 18 2026 09:39:02

    He only considers it an answer, if it goes along with his philosophy.

    Again, it's because the answers given were not inherent to being trans, and therefore not a justification for it.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to paulie420 on Sun Jul 19 18:15:52 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: paulie420 to MRO on Sun Jul 19 2026 10:49 am

    here. Maybe stick to your circle jerks on angoranet or whatever it's called.

    :P Love being on the end of one of your tirades again... always fun on a random Sunday morning.


    Again? You're giving yourself too much credit, lame brain.

    Glad you got the attention you wanted.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jul 19 18:17:23 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to paulie420 on Sun Jul 19 2026 08:17 am

    paulie420 wrote to Logic44 <=-

    Nothing. I think its more about mental health, not sexual preference - of any person; straight, gay, bi, etc...

    But the fallacy is making the assumption that being transgender is a
    mental illness, which isn't true unless you try to define it as such.
    One would imaging the sense of wellness someone who felt gender
    dysphoria would have understanding it and taking steps towards becoming

    The proof is in the pudding. There's one trans person without
    Serious mental problems.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to Outlaw on Mon Jul 20 06:54:00 2026
    Outlaw wrote to Dr. What <=-

    He only considers it an answer, if it goes along with his philosophy.

    About right. Leftoids are told what to believe - what I call their Narrative.

    Any fact that violates that Narrative is ignored or evaded.

    That's why you can't "discuss" anything with a Leftoid.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to Logic44 on Mon Jul 20 06:56:00 2026
    Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Complete projection, I understand it much more than you.

    I am at least a million times more intelligent than you. But you can never understand that.

    Being trans isn't mental illness, and the illness known as gender dysphoria

    You just contricted yourself.

    is treated via gender affirming care.

    There's no such thing.

    Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to Logic44 on Mon Jul 20 06:56:00 2026
    Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-

    No, I ignore them because they make zero sense, as none of the reasons listed are inherent to being trans.

    And you have only proven our point about Leftoids.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dr. What on Mon Jul 20 07:56:58 2026
    Dr. What wrote to Logic44 <=-

    Safety, on the other hand.... Being mentally ill does make people do things that put other people's safety at risk.

    If your premise that transgender people are mentally ill is flawed,
    your argument fails.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dr. What on Mon Jul 20 07:56:58 2026
    Dr. What wrote to Logic44 <=-

    Then you haven't looked. Most states have laws that curtail your
    rights if you are on certain medications - legally or not.

    Federal laws prohibit unlawfully using controlled substances, not
    prescribed medications.

    29 states have laws with restrictions based on involuntary commitment to
    a mental institution, those determined to be a danger to themselves or
    others, or found to be addicted to illegal drugs. Sorry, no mention of transgender as a basis for limiting access to firearms.

    As I mentioned before, if your premise that transgender is a mental
    illness, your argument fails.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dr. What on Mon Jul 20 07:56:58 2026
    Dr. What wrote to paulie420 <=-

    Because blanket condemning any group is silly.

    Are you going to condemn all the Leftoids who call all white people
    White Supremacists?

    Uh, yes? Why would that be an issue?


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dr. What on Mon Jul 20 07:56:58 2026
    Dr. What wrote to Utopian Galt <=-

    Not to the extent that they exist today.

    You need to understand the concept of "per capita".



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Logic44 on Mon Jul 20 07:56:58 2026
    Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Being trans isn't mental illness, and the illness known as gender dysphoria is treated via gender affirming care.

    I find it ironic that the people trying to deny gender affirming care
    are all on-board with giving military servicemen testosterone
    replacement therapy.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 20 16:03:21 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dr. What on Mon Jul 20 2026 07:56 am

    Dr. What wrote to Logic44 <=-

    Safety, on the other hand.... Being mentally ill does make people do things that put other people's safety at risk.

    If your premise that transgender people are mentally ill is flawed,
    your argument fails.



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    Have you met a transgender person who is not mentally ill? No you have not.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 20 16:15:31 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dr. What on Mon Jul 20 2026 07:56 am

    Dr. What wrote to paulie420 <=-

    Because blanket condemning any group is silly.

    Are you going to condemn all the Leftoids who call all white people White Supremacists?

    Uh, yes? Why would that be an issue?

    Careful. You might be kicked out of the democrat circle for that.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Logic44 on Mon Jul 20 16:03:15 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: Logic44 to Dr. What on Sat Jul 18 2026 07:03 pm


    Name ONE way being trans affects your ability to safely and effectively operate a firearm.

    I don't believe gender dysphoria should disqualify somebody for firearm ownership, but if I were a politician arguing for such a thing, the argument is very easy. Suicide rates among trans are noticeably higher (which in fact is a political point pro-trans politicians use all the time). Here in Spain you don't get issued a firearm permit if you are deemed to be in a noticeably high risk of suicide. So...


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to paulie420 on Mon Jul 20 16:09:16 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: paulie420 to MRO on Sat Jul 18 2026 06:12 pm

    How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?

    Because blanket condemning any group is silly. While I wouldn't choose trans anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and mentally ill trans people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderful men and terrible, etc etc.

    People can be wonderful and still be ill.

    I find it telling that every disphoria is regarded as a pathological condition except gender disphoria. If you feel your arm does not belong to you that is considered pathological, but if you feel your penis does not belong to you that is healthy, normal and should be encouraged.

    Breaking news: if your condition needs treatment then it is pathological. Anything that needs a solution is a problem: if you need to take action (such as removing your penis) in order to feel fine then it signals you have a problem that needs a solution. So it is a pathological situation whether you think disphoria is "bad" or "normal".

    That said, being ill does not mean you get disqualified the same way you don't get disqualified for other pathologies. We let dissabled people drive cars after all.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 20 16:16:51 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to paulie420 on Sun Jul 19 2026 08:17 am


    It's not hard to imagine reactionary groups trying to use non-traditional
    gender choice and sexual preference to define mental illness in an
    attempt to limit people's rights. First firearms, then what?

    The notion that everything that happens in the political playground is a movement against gays and trans is false, paranoid and tiresome.

    I remember when they started considering KYC laws, identity checks for accessing porn and the like... usual suspects were claiming, from minute zero, it was a great conspiracy to kill all the gays and trans.

    When you think everything is about yourself, that shows narcissistic tendencies.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 20 16:19:32 2026
    Re: Re: Trans 2a
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dr. What on Mon Jul 20 2026 07:56 am

    transgender as a basis for limiting access to firearms.

    As I mentioned before, if your premise that transgender is a mental
    illness, your argument fails.

    Only if you can back the notion that disphoria is not an illness (against the arguments provided in this thread).


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